Posts by Anders Andersen

19

Do you remember this?

by Gorbatchov in

jw
friends

when g. was a litle kid, remembering the watchtower study at age 9, hearing all the stuff, the paragraph, the questions, the answers, about topics i could not understand, so it became so abstract that it was not entering my ears and brains.

it felt that i was no part of the group, someone alone on a distant planet.. do you remember this feeling?.

g..

Anders Andersen

Not really. I think I felt more like a boss as I knew all this important stuff that most people didn't know. Especially the first time studying Revelation book at the book study. I was around 8 I think.

I remember some other stuff too:

When very young: sleeping on the floor between the seats during conventions. The constant buzz of the crowd and the building, the echoing monotony of the speaker's unintelligible voice that entered my sleepy brain from far, far away. There's no better place to enjoy sleep than when you're supposed to listen to life saving instructions from God lol.
When a bit older: being bored out of my mind at meetings. We couldn't bring any toys, always say in first row, so there was not much I could do. I crossed my legs, and my knee became a mountain lair. My finger became a car that sped up the hill for some heroic task or another. I think I'd be able to entertain myself if I ever find myself locked away in solitary confinement.

21

The effect Crisis of Conscience has...

by pleaseresearch in

would love to read this book one day and give it to my mum and brother who are both in the organisation.. so many people i see on videos claim that this book was the nail in the coffin.

but do you know anyone where it had no effect on them?.

Anders Andersen

Would love to read this book one day

If reading a physical copy is too dangerous for you right now, buy the ebook version.

In the Kobo store you can buy it for under 10 dollars, and you can read it in the Kobo app on your phone, tablet or PC.

Just go buy and read it .

https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/crisis-of-conscience

9

Secret documents from WHQ: JWs do everything to avoid reporting CSA

by jochie in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clbnspvradui have seen the documents myself but i am not able to share them without jeopardizing the source.the rtl broadcasting company has spoken to the orginal source and we know that these documents are real..

Anders Andersen

This is big.
One because of the letter and its contents. Dutch MPs will have a field day with that.
Two because this doesn't seem a letter to all elders, so there's a serious leak in the org.

21

King of The North: circular news top?

by Gorbatchov in

jw
friends

friends,.

with the circular speading of my satire tread about the annual meeting on many different ways, even informal across the jw organization, i'm pretty sure that the news about russia (new king of the north) is not real.. there was a moment i thought that it was a coïncidence that incoming messages mentioned it also.. now i suppose it started all with my op, went trending through the organization (even through bethel belgium) and became a story on it's own.. this is not realy my style and i'm not proud of it.. g..

Anders Andersen

Some say it was announced at the AGM though.

My PIMI NIECE AND HER husband attended the AGM and it was made OFFICIAL -Russia is now the king of the North because they have been taking the lead in persecuting "God's people"- those poor Russians everyone has it in for them lately!!!..

https://amp-reddit-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/9mcgja/its_official_russia_king_of_the_north/?amp_js_v=0.1&usqp=mq331AQECAEoAQ%3D%3D

21

King of The North: circular news top?

by Gorbatchov in

jw
friends

friends,.

with the circular speading of my satire tread about the annual meeting on many different ways, even informal across the jw organization, i'm pretty sure that the news about russia (new king of the north) is not real.. there was a moment i thought that it was a coïncidence that incoming messages mentioned it also.. now i suppose it started all with my op, went trending through the organization (even through bethel belgium) and became a story on it's own.. this is not realy my style and i'm not proud of it.. g..

Anders Andersen

@AverageJoe: please state page number or provide a quote.

The book does not mention 'Russia' even once. 'Soviet' in mentioned once but only in the context of WWII.

'King of the North' is mentioned 8 times but he is not identified.

The book suggest that the attack of the King of the North is the same as the attack of Gog of Magog and the attack of the Assyrians though.

So as far as I can see the book doesn't say Russia is King of the North at all...

20

What happened to the "New World Order"?

by stuckinarut2 in

so as a child and youth growing up as a witness, (i'm 43 now) we often heard the expression "new world order".. the society just doesnt use that expression anymore.

so what was the reasoning behind them amending that expression?.

Anders Andersen

The term NWO is now commonly used by nutcase conspiracy theorists who believe worldwide governments are controlled by hidden behind the scenes powers (Illuminati etc).

JW firmly believe almost the same, but in their mind the behind the scenes power is Satan, not the Illuminati.

Of course JW want to distance themselves from such insane nutcrackery as believing in Illuminati. (Lol)

So they no longer use the term NWO, lest anyone be confused about the specifics of the conspiracy and think JW are nutcrackers too.

They do a similar thing when it comes to creationism. They know denying scientific facts is silly, therefore they try hard to distance themselves from 'creationism', conveniently omitting that they are very much creationists themselves too. In reality the difference between Young Earth Creationism and Young Humans Creationism is moot, but JW blow it up as big as possible.

JW just know people think they're crazy, and try to limit being identified with other crazies.

4

A gem from the new school book

by Anders Andersen in

use sources properly.

apply scriptures in harmony with their context, the bible’s overall message, and the publications of “the faithful and discreet slave.” (matt.

in other words, if you happen to discover how our doctrines are contradicted by the bible, don't use those verses.. use secular sources in accord with the original context and the intent of the writer.. .

Anders Andersen

Use sources properly. Apply scriptures in harmony with their context, the Bible’s overall message, and the publications of “the faithful and discreet slave.” (Matt. 24:45)

In other words, if you happen to discover how our doctrines are contradicted by the Bible, don't use those verses.

Use secular sources in accord with the original context and the intent of the writer.

Surely they must be joking. What an insane level of hypocrisy.

'You who preaches to quote secular sources fairly, do you quote out of context?'

2

The Netherlands - Upcoming peaceful protest to commemorate the effect of sexual abuse in closed communities such as JW (october 6th)

by Anders Andersen in

facebook event link here.

translation of the dutch event description:.

foundation reclaimed voices organizes a peaceful protest to commemorate the effects of sexual abuse within closed religious communities such as jehovah's witnesses.. the location of the protest offers room to about 200 people.

Anders Andersen

Emmen is only an hour drive for me, but with a very much pimi wife I can't afford to go.

Let us know how it went?

29

No Watchtower shipment

by LevelThePlayingField in

it was announced at our clam that there "was no shipment of the october study editions of the watchtower" and that they were asking if people could just use electronic or make their own copies.. is this just happening in ohio, or did you hear the same thing?.

Anders Andersen

you'd think they'd have their own couriers delivering for free wouldnt you?

Aren't they actually moving away from that? Afaik they started using commercial parcel services in the UK?

23

Funeral/Memorial at the Kingdom Hall ... Would you go?

by Wild_Thing in

jw
friends

let's say an aunt or uncle dies.

.

let's say you barely knew them.. let's say their memorial service was held at the kingdom hall.. let's say if you attend, you have to deal with shunning from family and jws, and you are forced listen to them present their paradise promotional materials, and the dead person's "earthly hope™", and let's face it ... the heeby-jeebies of having to be in a kingdom hall again.. would you put yourself through it?

Anders Andersen

Recently the JW mom of an exjw friend died. I knew her as we were all in the same congregation. I like and respect both of my friend's parents and his siblings. His brother (is still very much a JW too) used to be my friend.

I went to the condolence 'meeting' at the funeral home on Monday evening. And I went to the KH propaganda talk on Wednesday.

Yes, I very much dislike that propaganda talk. Yet there are quite a few reasons for me to go anyway:

Support my exjw friend, who would be in the KH with his pimi wife and family.
Support my pimi wife.
Show the JW I know I'm not miserable nor afraid of them.

As expected the talk sucked. I'm happy the deceased had arranged for her actual funeral to be a friends and family only private event outside the kh, where friends and children spoke about personal memories.

Even my wife thought the talk was just an impersonal advertisement that wasn't fitting the deceased, nor the partly nonjw audience.

I stayed in the KH quite long afterwards. Some people came to me to chat (I was pinned down by a sleeping daughter). Some people notably didn't. Some did that strange hug that means "my JW brainwashed conscience doesn't allow me to actually speak to you, but my humanity compels me do do something loving and acknowledge you anyway".

Anyway my exjw friend very much appreciated me being there, and that's most important to me.

Oh, and I accidentally poured coffee on a chair in the auditorium. Oops.